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Beideboth
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The quantifier beideboth is marginally able to support noun ellipsis. Instead, a quantifier float structure is required.

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Like alleall, the quantifier beideboth is marginally able to carry noun ellipsis in subject and object position:

Example 1

a. ?Beide / beiden seagen der goed út
both looked there good out
Both looked well
b. ?Ik ha beide / beiden sjoen
I have both seen
I've seen both
c. ?Der wurdt oer beide / beiden praat
there is about both talked
Both are being talked about

Instead, it requires a quantifier float structure, that is, a structure in which the quantifier appears as an adverb accompanying a pronoun:

Example 2

a. Se seagen der beiden / beide goed út
they looked there both good out
Both looked well
b. Ik ha se beide / beiden sjoen
I have them both seen
I've seen them both
c. Der wurdt oer har beiden praat
there is about them both talked
There is talk about both of them
d. *Der wurdt oer har beide praat
there is about them both talked
Both of them are being talked about

The form beidenboth occurs proportionately, though not absolutely, more often with a human antecedent than the form beideboth. In the position of prepositional complement, however, it seems that a human interpretation for beidenboth is obligatory; so (d) above cannot refer to two inanimate subjects which are being talked about. This is independent of the presence of the quantifier: if only the pronoun harher, them is present, the judgments are the same. The object pronoun harher, them has a case-neutral clitic form seher, them. Both forms may show up as prepositional complement, but only harher, them may be accompanied by a floating quantifier:

Example 3

a. Der wurdt oer har praat
there is about them talked
They are being talked about
b. Der wurdt oer se praat
there is about them talked
They are being talked about
c. *Der wurdt oer se beiden / beide praat
there is about them both talked
Both of them are being talked about

Analogous to the form allegearreall, the form beidegearreboth also exists. Unlike allegearreall, beidegearreboth is almost obsolete. It occurs 11 times in the Frisian Language Corpus (25 million words). Some examples are provided below:

Example 4

a. Hwat nijs yn beidegearre har libben
something new in both their life
Something new in both their lives
b. Beidegearre hienen se de prakkesaesjes by itselde
both had they the thoughts on the.same
They both thought about the same thing
c. Mar Húsmans nimt beidegearre oan
but Húsmans takes both on
But Husmans hires both

Example (4a) involves a case in which the adverb is used in a nominal position, accompanying the possessor pronoun, a position that is otherwise reserved for Noun Phrases (NPs). Example (4c) involves a case in which the adverb is not accompanied by a coreferring pronoun.

There is a weak tendency to interpret the form beidenboth as referring to persons, when compared to the form beideboth. The doubtful grammaticality indicates in this example that the judgments below hold for some speakers, but not for others:

Example 5

a. De taarten binne beide like lekker
the pies are both equally tasty
The pies are both equally tasty
b. ?De taarten binne beiden like lekker
the pies are both equally tasty
The pies are both equally tasty
c. ?Dy twa filmstjerren binne beide like lekker
those two movie stars are both equally hot
Those two moviestars are both equally hot
d. Dy twa filmstjerren binne beiden like lekker
those two movie stars are both equally hot
Those two moviestars are both equally hot

The form beidenboth is obligatory in some constructions which can only refer to persons:

Example 6

a. *Mei ús beide
with our both
With the two of us
b. Mei ús beiden
with our both
With the two of us

Constructions referring to persons and things exhibit either form, depending on whether persons or things are being referred to:

Example 7

a. Ien fan beiden
one of both
One of the two
b. Ien fan beide
one of both
One of the two

Beideboth is inherently a count noun. Alleall can also be used with mass nouns:

Example 8

a. *Beide bûter is op
both butter is up
Both butter boxes are empty
b. Alle bûter is op
all butter is up
All the butter is finished
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